This time around I am speaking to Tom Bird.

Tom and I met a few years ago, and this actually the second time I’ve interviewed him for the show.

We first tried this the week before the UK closed its borders and shut the country down for COVID-19.

After some time away I wanted to revisit the topics of design education, and see how Tom’s feelings on Bootcamps for UX had changed, if at all, and to hear Tom share what it was like to join a company the week before the world caught fire, the impact that had on his employee experience, and his recent move into a product design role for a remote first company.